It's Drama Free [07/11/12]

[NobodySpecial]

All discussion of right/wrong aside, I want to see Ronnie stick around because I want to see how T. writes this.

[Muttley]

Ronnie has overreacted to a perceived implication of sexual inadequacy from Michael.

These are testosterone-fuelled teenagers, away from the sobering influence of home and free to behave without inhibitions: not yet realising that those freedoms carry a set of responsibilities. It can't be the first time this has happened at the college and it won't be the last.

I would expect there to be a process already in place to deal with these specific kinds of situation, one which does not destroy careers and lives (because that's what some of you are suggesting, having Ronnie hauled off to jail, sectioned, sent down or otherwise excluded from society). The college must be expecting fights to break out and punches to be thrown on occasion, with less justification or even none at all.

One wild-arsed guess? Curfew for Ronnie and he should have a mentor assigned to him to act as an "external conscience". Heavy talking-to, with the clear signal that any further transgressions will not be tolerated and result in severe sanctions, probably rustication (lovely word, means being expelled temporarily - sent back to the countryside to ponder his fate). That's how I'd deal with it, anyway.

These students have all come to the college to learn. What they never tell you beforehand is that you aren't just learning your subject, you're learning how to grow up too.

[Mr. Brightside]

This particular lesson he's had ample time to learn.

[Freemage]

Ronnie has overreacted to a perceived implication of sexual inadequacy from Michael.

These are testosterone-fuelled teenagers, away from the sobering influence of home and free to behave without inhibitions: not yet realising that those freedoms carry a set of responsibilities. It can't be the first time this has happened at the college and it won't be the last.

I would expect there to be a process already in place to deal with these specific kinds of situation, one which does not destroy careers and lives (because that's what some of you are suggesting, having Ronnie hauled off to jail, sectioned, sent down or otherwise excluded from society). The college must be expecting fights to break out and punches to be thrown on occasion, with less justification or even none at all.

Can you point out who actually suggested that he be locked away from all of society and/or sent to jail? While some folks have acknowledged the possibility, most of the active calls have been for suspension or moving him out of the dorm. This would not, in fact, exclude him from society, and I'm beginning to think this is a strawman being brought up because it's harder to argue against the actual position being put forward. (I'll note that NobodySpecial actually does make a solid case, so it's clearly not impossible.)

[NobodySpecial]

Ronnie has overreacted to a perceived implication of sexual inadequacy from Michael.

These are testosterone-fuelled teenagers, away from the sobering influence of home and free to behave without inhibitions: not yet realising that those freedoms carry a set of responsibilities. It can't be the first time this has happened at the college and it won't be the last.

I would expect there to be a process already in place to deal with these specific kinds of situation, one which does not destroy careers and lives (because that's what some of you are suggesting, having Ronnie hauled off to jail, sectioned, sent down or otherwise excluded from society). The college must be expecting fights to break out and punches to be thrown on occasion, with less justification or even none at all.

Can you point out who actually suggested that he be locked away from all of society and/or sent to jail? While some folks have acknowledged the possibility, most of the active calls have been for suspension or moving him out of the dorm. This would not, in fact, exclude him from society, and I'm beginning to think this is a strawman being brought up because it's harder to argue against the actual position being put forward. (I'll note that NobodySpecial actually does make a solid case, so it's clearly not impossible.)

I'll leave names out of it.

A little visit from the cops, and maybe being expelled then forced to attend a court ordered activity or two may be necessary, in regards to Ronnie, now that we know he's officially snapped...

I wonder how long it'll take for campus police to arrest Ronnie?

Ronnie is obviously incredibly mentally unstable, and may be consequently arrested or expelled.

It's not a majority opinion, to be sure, but it's not a strawman. I'm of the opinion with Alice that T. did not introduce Ronnie into the comic just to drop him completely, though.

[svenman]

You know what? It just crossed my mind that Temp is actually spot on.

It's drama... and she gets to enjoy it for free, too!

I am so, so sorry.

No wait, actually I'm not.

[Lia S]

Temperance, I think you should have said "it's drama IS free".

You know what? It just crossed my mind that Temp is actually spot on.

It's drama... and she gets to enjoy it for free, too!

I am so, so sorry.

No wait, actually I'm not.

Yes, adding a comma would work too. I'll join you in being terribly sorry so we can congratulate each other for having great minds

[Otaking]

It's not a majority opinion, to be sure, but it's not a strawman. I'm of the opinion with Alice that T. did not introduce Ronnie into the comic just to drop him completely, though.

No doubt, a lot of work went into the character just to drop him in the first...semester? He's barely had screen time to begin with. I don't see any interesting arcs with his separate rehabilitation forming, nor are busy college students going to have the time or inclination to have contact with someone in an institution.


All metalogic ...metaplot? signs point to a private reconciliation with Ronnie and Michael.


Let's check my track record so far on predictions:

Hank is gay: Check
Iseul will be dropping a separation bomb on Sara: Check

I'll be placing my bet on this one. Come on three for three.

[grimmi05]

It's not a majority opinion, to be sure, but it's not a strawman. I'm of the opinion with Alice that T. did not introduce Ronnie into the comic just to drop him completely, though.

No doubt, a lot of work went into the character just to drop him in the first...semester? He's barely had screen time to begin with. I don't see any interesting arcs with his separate rehabilitation forming, nor are busy college students going to have the time or inclination to have contact with someone in an institution.


All metalogic ...metaplot? signs point to a private reconciliation with Ronnie and Michael.


Let's check my track record so far on predictions:

Hank is gay: Check
Iseul will be dropping a separation bomb on Sara: Check

I'll be placing my bet on this one. Come on three for three.

I would have to agree. I trust Ts writing, so I don't think he would make a character who's entire arc was 'Ronnie feel sad, Ronnie heard something he took as a insult, Ronnie smash, Ronnie gone."

Plus think about the other nasty things that people in the P&A universe have done. Like say Karen or Cyndi, or hell Helen being raped(I don't think those two got caught.) Punching someone in the face is like the least horrible thing that has been done. Plus in real life that gets you like a misdemeanor assault charge at most.

[grimmi05]

It's not a majority opinion, to be sure, but it's not a strawman. I'm of the opinion with Alice that T. did not introduce Ronnie into the comic just to drop him completely, though.

No doubt, a lot of work went into the character just to drop him in the first...semester? He's barely had screen time to begin with. I don't see any interesting arcs with his separate rehabilitation forming, nor are busy college students going to have the time or inclination to have contact with someone in an institution.


All metalogic ...metaplot? signs point to a private reconciliation with Ronnie and Michael.


Let's check my track record so far on predictions:

Hank is gay: Check
Iseul will be dropping a separation bomb on Sara: Check

I'll be placing my bet on this one. Come on three for three.

I would have to agree. I trust Ts writing, so I don't think he would make a character who's entire arc was 'Ronnie feel sad, Ronnie heard something he took as a insult, Ronnie smash, Ronnie gone."

Plus think about the other nasty things that people in the P&A universe have done. Like say Karen or Cyndi, or hell Helen being raped(I don't think those two got caught.) Punching someone in the face is like the least horrible thing that has been done. Plus in real life that gets you like a misdemeanor assault charge at most.

[Freemage]

Ronnie has overreacted to a perceived implication of sexual inadequacy from Michael.

These are testosterone-fuelled teenagers, away from the sobering influence of home and free to behave without inhibitions: not yet realising that those freedoms carry a set of responsibilities. It can't be the first time this has happened at the college and it won't be the last.

I would expect there to be a process already in place to deal with these specific kinds of situation, one which does not destroy careers and lives (because that's what some of you are suggesting, having Ronnie hauled off to jail, sectioned, sent down or otherwise excluded from society). The college must be expecting fights to break out and punches to be thrown on occasion, with less justification or even none at all.

Can you point out who actually suggested that he be locked away from all of society and/or sent to jail? While some folks have acknowledged the possibility, most of the active calls have been for suspension or moving him out of the dorm. This would not, in fact, exclude him from society, and I'm beginning to think this is a strawman being brought up because it's harder to argue against the actual position being put forward. (I'll note that NobodySpecial actually does make a solid case, so it's clearly not impossible.)

I'll leave names out of it.

A little visit from the cops, and maybe being expelled then forced to attend a court ordered activity or two may be necessary, in regards to Ronnie, now that we know he's officially snapped...

I wonder how long it'll take for campus police to arrest Ronnie?

Ronnie is obviously incredibly mentally unstable, and may be consequently arrested or expelled.

It's not a majority opinion, to be sure, but it's not a strawman. I'm of the opinion with Alice that T. did not introduce Ronnie into the comic just to drop him completely, though.

See, there's a distinction there, and it's a significant one.

Those three posts all posit that it's ~likely~ or ~plausible~ that Ronnie suffer some sort of legal trouble over this. None of them were saying that he ~should~ suffer those consequences specifically--the third comes close to that, by opting to state that Ronnie is "mentally unstable", but that one has the weakest statement of consequence, based on a "may" (by comparison, I was saying that Ronnie ~should~ be suspended for the rest of the semester, sent to anger management counseling, and if he can show improvement and wants to return, allowed to do so, provided he keeps up the counseling).

[grimmi05]

Usually when someone says something is "likely" or "plausible" that means that means they want it to happen, specially when that is a extreme option for something that really is minor.

and second your logic is unsound. first college is not like high school they don't "suspend" you for alittle bit and then let you come back. You have two steps probation or expulsion. college is not mandatory like public school is, they don't have to pass you, you pay them for the privilege to go to that school. so the only two options for Ronnie are he is put on probation, which would mean he would probably have to take a anger management course or have to see a therapist or consular. or expulsion where he more then likely never be able to attend another university because of his past expulsion due to violence.

[Freemage]

Usually when someone says something is "likely" or "plausible" that means that means they want it to happen, specially when that is a extreme option for something that really is minor.

I'm just gonna ignore this, as it's projection, sorry.

and second your logic is unsound. first college is not like high school they don't "suspend" you for alittle bit and then let you come back. You have two steps probation or expulsion. college is not mandatory like public school is, they don't have to pass you, you pay them for the privilege to go to that school. so the only two options for Ronnie are he is put on probation, which would mean he would probably have to take a anger management course or have to see a therapist or consular. or expulsion where he more then likely never be able to attend another university because of his past expulsion due to violence.

Um...

1: Colleges are not operating under one unified justice code, either. Some do, indeed, have suspension options for violations of the rules. Do all? Nope. But many also have other options that would amount to the same thing, even if the name wasn't the same.

2: Furthermore, colleges do not all operate under a single hive-mind authority. If you don't mention you went to some school, they won't know. So yes, if Ronnie did get expelled, odds are he could go to some other school, apply there, and have no more difficulty than he had getting into this place. He could just claim he took a semester off to figure out where he wanted to go.

[grimmi05]

Usually when someone says something is "likely" or "plausible" that means that means they want it to happen, specially when that is a extreme option for something that really is minor.

I'm just gonna ignore this, as it's projection, sorry.

and second your logic is unsound. first college is not like high school they don't "suspend" you for alittle bit and then let you come back. You have two steps probation or expulsion. college is not mandatory like public school is, they don't have to pass you, you pay them for the privilege to go to that school. so the only two options for Ronnie are he is put on probation, which would mean he would probably have to take a anger management course or have to see a therapist or consular. or expulsion where he more then likely never be able to attend another university because of his past expulsion due to violence.

Um...

1: Colleges are not operating under one unified justice code, either. Some do, indeed, have suspension options for violations of the rules. Do all? Nope. But many also have other options that would amount to the same thing, even if the name wasn't the same.

2: Furthermore, colleges do not all operate under a single hive-mind authority. If you don't mention you went to some school, they won't know. So yes, if Ronnie did get expelled, odds are he could go to some other school, apply there, and have no more difficulty than he had getting into this place. He could just claim he took a semester off to figure out where he wanted to go.

Um...

Funny if someone is expelled due to crime, there is usually a arrest involved. so when you click or check off that little box that asks if you have been charged with any felonies, and they do a back ground check and it comes up with "arrested-misdemeanor or felony assault" and has very beautiful mugshot and set of finger prints along with a copy of the arrest report that states the incident, I'm sure the new university that you just applied to will be very understanding that you lied to them.

you see lying like that might have worked in the days of the horse and buggy, where the person who invented the internet wasn't even a gleam in their daddy's eye and information was so very hard to collect. But in the modern day and age where your entire criminal record, including every felony, misdemeanor, and even traffic tickets are just a small back ground check away, which I think you will agree every university does these days.

and yes Ronnie could even lie about that, but I am sure universities can talk to one another despite not being a hive mind entity.

[Freemage]

Actually, as has been noted in this very thread, universities often try to keep their 'official' crime numbers artificially low. So the deal is, "You don't fight the expulsion, we don't call in the real cops and press charges." This is very often how things go down with large institutions--employees caught committing theft, for instance, are frequently given the option to simply quit (and thereby be ineligible for unemployment benefits) rather than draw bad publicity and spend time on sending employees to testify (which would cost the company money).

And again, that's assuming that you're correct that the university only has two ways to deal with this, rather than a broader spectrum which might include a temporary absence under some name, whether it's a suspension or even a medical leave.